Message order in general

After using the new forum a few times now, it's apparent that we don't necessarily scroll all the way to the bottom of the list to find the latest post, because a reply can be made to any individual reply that's already been made anywhere throughout the thread. So what we need to do is, from the home page, check out the Recent messages column (a good idea) then click on ‘more’ at the bottom of the column. This will bring up the full recent messages list.

Now choose which conversation you want to read, noting the name adjacent to the conversation title, which is the last person to make a comment. Either open the conversation by clicking on the conversation title, then search out the ‘most recent comment’ persons name, or click on his name in the Most recent comment column and that will take you to that comment, which can be anywhere at all through the thread.

This is not complicated, is it..........??

Bob

Bluntly ?  PITA !

Posts in time order, with a button to view the most recent, is the norm. for other fora I view (accessnorton, rotaryownersclub, ybw.......)

R.

I've just posted a reply to a handling question and it's appeared halfway through the thread, making little sense. (more than the little sense I make most of the time)

Dave Evans   Sunday 29 Aug 23:33 

In the words of Armstrong and Miller    "Random"

Yes, I second Richard on this- the order of the entries is very confusing compared to the usual way where the latest entry is at the bottom.

Also, why are the entry dates given as "Tuesday" or "Thursday? We all (still!) know the current date (I hope) and it'd be far easier to look through the list with DATES to see what is new on the forum. One never knows- what week? This week? Last week? A week in 1898? Probably an entry by a James L. Norton "I have just started to produce bicycles with an engine, anybody interested in buying one?"? One never knows or, at least, I never know.

As Richard, I look at and contribute to the ROC and the Commando forum, and if an answer to something comes two or three entries down I think our intellectual capacity is still sufficient (just!) to connect it to that entry.

Hi All

Been dyslexic i do find threads hard work, compaird to the Roc forum and why i tend not to post, i made a right hash of my reply to bringing new younger members in

Regards Wayne

The point that Wayne and Joe are stating is absolutely right. I like the NOC website as a whole, but the forum listing needs revising to make it more user friendly. Please listen to members comments, look at other club forums and change the way replies flow to make it easier to use, and then you will see newer members contributing.

Regards, Paul.

Repeating myself, I know, but all messages in date/time-posted order please.

If someone wants to refer to a specific post, then the accepted method is to start by clicking 'Quote' on that particular post.

I don't now look at threads with more than a few posts as it's just too frustrating.

Previously wrote:

Repeating myself, I know, but all messages in date/time-posted order please.

If someone wants to refer to a specific post, then the accepted method is to start by clicking 'Quote' on that particular post.

I don't now look at threads with more than a few posts as it's just too frustrating.

And that message, posted using Quick Reply, ended up in the middle of the thread when I was expecting it to be at the end.

If I'd bought this software, I'd have rejected it before now as 'Not fit for purpose'.

I belong to the following group:

mopedarmy.com

If you take a look at it and open up any of the discussion forums you will see that the messages are posted in strict chronological order.

This works good until you get up to about 10 messages posted on any one item.  At that point most of the members use the @ symbol to refer to any specific posting.  For instance if I posted something and 20 messages later someone wanted to make a comment to my posting they would simply start their message thusly:

@Mike Sullivan, I saw your message and comment as follows.....

The mopedarmy.com is a large international group and sometimes there will be 100-200 posting replys.  The above system keeps everything in order.

Otherwise, anything will be better than what we now have.

Mike

HOORAY!...After complaining many times alone and being ignored totally by our moderator Peter White, I can feel the unrest is gathering strength. Why do we have to put up with this moronic message board. It really is NOT FIT for purpous.

Take a look at our AMC relations: "AJS & Matchless Owners Club". See how vastly superior it is!Their site is fast, comprehensive, informative and has a superb forum set up.

http://www.ajs-matchless.com/default.asp

I suggest someone who is running this NOC should contact them and beg for their help, perhaps spend some of our membership money if need be and simply COPY IT.  

It seems 2011 is a year for uprisings and change worldwide, so let it also be that the NOC web site lifts itself out of the arc, gets itself into gear and moves forwards and does not lie rusting in the scrap yard of yesterday.

I emplore every member to complain and stand up for a better web site. You all deserve far better! Don't give up the fight. We want a great web site befitting a great Motorcyle!!

Regards

Les H

Dear Les

Firstly a quick correction. I'm not the  Moderator, that honour goes to Chris Grimmett, merely the Secretary who happens also to be a Web Designer and who helped build the present system.

The way in which Ploneboard orders messages is logical, but I accept that it's not always easy to see posts chronologically.

With regard to the AJS-Matchless website, this is a Microsoft Active Server Page based system which wouldn't integrate with our Plone CMS based site. With the possible exception of the message board, I feel that ours is much better!

As I suggested in my own post (further down this page) We are looking for a Plone Forum Add-on product which we can install as an alternative to Ploneboard (The existing system). All Open Source CMS's have strengths and weaknesses, Plone is probably one of the best out there but we do recognise the need to improve it. There's another issue of course which would be that we lose all the existing posts if we change. This would be a shame because we're quietly building up a fairly useful archive.

Might I suggest that your tone and use of the word 'Moronic' does you no credit. We are all volunteers here. If you can do a better job, stand up at the AGM and get elected?

The NOC Exec is meeting on 20th March and will be discussing how we can make further improvements to the site. This one will definitely be included in the discussion.

Keep it on the cam

Peter

Previously wrote:

HOORAY!...After complaining many times alone and being ignored totally by our moderator Peter White, I can feel the unrest is gathering strength. Why do we have to put up with this moronic message board. It really is NOT FIT for purpous.

Take a look at our AMC relations: "AJS & Matchless Owners Club". See how vastly superior it is!Their site is fast, comprehensive, informative and has a superb forum set up.

http://www.ajs-matchless.com/default.asp

I suggest someone who is running this NOC should contact them and beg for their help, perhaps spend some of our membership money if need be and simply COPY IT.  

It seems 2011 is a year for uprisings and change worldwide, so let it also be that the NOC web site lifts itself out of the arc, gets itself into gear and moves forwards and does not lie rusting in the scrap yard of yesterday.

I emplore every member to complain and stand up for a better web site. You all deserve far better! Don't give up the fight. We want a great web site befitting a great Motorcyle!!

Regards

Les H

Previously Peter White wrote:

Dear Les

Firstly a quick correction. I'm not the  Moderator, that honour goes to Chris Grimmett, merely the Secretary who happens also to be a Web Designer and who helped build the present system.

The way in which Ploneboard orders messages is logical, but I accept that it's not always easy to see posts chronologically.

With regard to the AJS-Matchless website, this is a Microsoft Active Server Page based system which wouldn't integrate with our Plone CMS based site. With the possible exception of the message board, I feel that ours is much better!

As I suggested in my own post (further down this page) We are looking for a Plone Forum Add-on product which we can install as an alternative to Ploneboard (The existing system). All Open Source CMS's have strengths and weaknesses, Plone is probably one of the best out there but we do recognise the need to improve it. There's another issue of course which would be that we lose all the existing posts if we change. This would be a shame because we're quietly building up a fairly useful archive.

Might I suggest that your tone and use of the word 'Moronic' does you no credit. We are all volunteers here. If you can do a better job, stand up at the AGM and get elected?

The NOC Exec is meeting on 20th March and will be discussing how we can make further improvements to the site. This one will definitely be included in the discussion.

Keep it on the cam

Peter

 

Previously wrote:

HOORAY!...After complaining many times alone and being ignored totally by our moderator Peter White, I can feel the unrest is gathering strength. Why do we have to put up with this moronic message board. It really is NOT FIT for purpous.

Take a look at our AMC relations: "AJS & Matchless Owners Club". See how vastly superior it is!Their site is fast, comprehensive, informative and has a superb forum set up.

http://www.ajs-matchless.com/default.asp

I suggest someone who is running this NOC should contact them and beg for their help, perhaps spend some of our membership money if need be and simply COPY IT.  

It seems 2011 is a year for uprisings and change worldwide, so let it also be that the NOC web site lifts itself out of the arc, gets itself into gear and moves forwards and does not lie rusting in the scrap yard of yesterday.

I emplore every member to complain and stand up for a better web site. You all deserve far better! Don't give up the fight. We want a great web site befitting a great Motorcyle!!

Regards

Les H

 

Thank you Peter for your reply, and my appologies to you for mistaking your active role as the moderator on this message board.

I like others, I am sure, are not completely in the picture with PLONEBOARD, but with a quick search it appears that it is a FREE software package. Unfortunately FREE often means second rate but as it is free one can hardly complain, but as we do pay a decent fee for the NOC membership, there is an income to the club that could and should be used  for it's betterment. 

What I do not understand is why you have to continue with this PLONEBOARD? Are you telling me you cannot switch and use a better software package? OK, you may have to pay for it, but there are many motorcycle message boards and web sites that work extremely well, and in my opinion the "Jampot" site is very near perfect. I'm sure you would receive help from them if you asked.

As for me using the word "moronic"... hardly a word that is so offensive when I was clearly applying it to the way the software works which is a form of intelligence isn't it? I consider the description as completely fair and completely appropriate. It was completely clear that I was not addressing any member with that description but you seem to want to have a dig back at me for having the audacity to make a valid complaint, so you searched through and picked up that word to try to belittle me. That was pointless Peter.

As far as keeping on cam, I suggest a better software package is adopted here so we can all come of the choke, and go onto full advance!

Regards

Les

I too support a conventional layout. It took some while to get used to this ordering and dating system, and in some areas it is better than the chronological forums of others, the reply to this, is good though it should submit it at the end chronologically. It seems that the accepted forum layout is now chronological despite what else is available even if it is considered better quality, very much like VHS and Betamax, sometimes the good will loose. Being a member of foreign forums, a simple layout does make life a lot easier for me, our system must scare them away.     

must admit a normal forum layout would be so much better

everything seems jumbled on some of the posts. (very hard to follow for us dyslexics) 

Tom

Previously Peter White wrote:

We've looked for alternatives to Ploneboard 2 in order to find a less confusing system and one which still uses Plone's granular security - so far without success. Clearly we can use a PHP Bulletin Board or something else similar but it would be very annoying for members to have to sign in separately to the Message Board. Does anyone have any suggested Plone Forum add-ons to recommend?

As far as I am concerned signing in separately to post to the message board would be a small price to pay to have something useable. The Noc website is nice, easy to navigate and well laid out, the message board is not fit for purpose. I think we have persevered with this for long enough, there is far better out there even with adverts that would be a vast improvement.

Regards