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Posted by graham_leblond at January 08. 2016

Perhaps the moderator can assist with this.   As I understand it from the factory there are some 1000 961's registered.  Presumably most are in the UK.   If so how many UK/European 961 owners are NOC members on this forum.   I only ask as there seems to be very few people inputting information for the amount of bikes available.  I know that other manufacturers sometimes give away their  own club memberships for a year when purchasing a new machine.   Perhaps this is something that could bolster membership of the NOC and introduce 961 owners etc.   Any views?

Re: 961 Owners

Posted by roger_hainsworth at January 08. 2016

Graham

Although Norton now export across the globe, I'm sure the bulk of 961's are in the UK.

Towards the end of last year any posting on this forum regarding 961's was almost immediately shot down by a few vociferous members, for reasons only known to themselves. It got so bad that even a new rep. from the factory beat a hasty retreat, never to be heard of again.

Fortunately, our good webmaster put a stop to it all. I assume most Norton owners have a general interest in anything Norton, (and other makes), rather than a hate for a particular model. I like all things Norton, and have a mix from 1938 to 2015.

Come back you 961 owners!

Re: 961 owners

Posted by graham_leblond at January 08. 2016

Previously graham_leblond wrote:


So here I am hopefully with a group of like minded individuals who might actually want to get out and ride no matter old or new.  I would like some of the 961 owners to make themselves known.  I know I am new and have no intention of hijacking the forum but maybe we could think about 'meets' 'rideouts' etc over the fairer months.  I don't mean this as something separate to the main club events but in tandem with it.

Regards

Graham

We have an NOC Riders' Section message board for just this purpose and would be more than pleased if groups of owners got together and organised runs.

Webmaster

Re: 961 owners

Posted by webmaster at January 08. 2016

We ask Members to log with us their Nortons.  Some do and some do not.  For what it's worth then, we have ..............

● Commando 961 Café Racer - 12

● Commando 961 Limited Edition - 1

● Commando 961 SE - 24

● Commando 961 SF - 5

● Commando 961 Sport - 33

● Domiracer - 3
 

When Norton Motorcycles (UK) launched its machines there were discussions with the Club about NOC memberships but these did not materialise into anything.

As a Club, we do not know how many Donington Nortons have been manufactured.

Webmaster

Re: 961 owners

Posted by graham_leblond at January 08. 2016

Hi  Thanks for all the information.  A total of seventy plus owners of 961's have registered seems to be a very low percentage.  Perhaps an approach could be made to the factory again.  Is this dealt with at AGM level?

 

I have also noticed however that on many forums we have blinkers on and do not necessarily look at those items that do not relate directly to our own bikes.   I think this is human nature and not specific to Nortons.  Therefore many such posts may be missed.   However come the better weather I will try out some posts to see how we get on.

 

Glb

Re: 961 Owners

Posted by phil_harris at January 08. 2016

Previously roger_hainsworth wrote:

Graham

Although Norton now export across the globe, I'm sure the bulk of 961's are in the UK.

Towards the end of last year any posting on this forum regarding 961's was almost immediately shot down by a few vociferous members, for reasons only known to themselves. It got so bad that even a new rep. from the factory beat a hasty retreat, never to be heard of again.

Fortunately, our good webmaster put a stop to it all. I assume most Norton owners have a general interest in anything Norton, (and other makes), rather than a hate for a particular model. I like all things Norton, and have a mix from 1938 to 2015.

Come back you 961 owners!

Graham,

Sadly you are right, the reputation of this membership website for 961 owners is truly negative and hence the lack of posts and more so the lack of new members...    Shame really as I have a love of all things two wheeled from scooters to Harley's and anything between, as a member of various motorcycle owner clubs I have been truly surprised by such a hostile reaction for a shared marque.

But there's so much more to worry about in the world, I'll leave the negativity on the site and move on to enjoying the bike. Best wishes to ALL whatever you ride.

Phil

Re: 961 owners

Posted by steven_waight at January 08. 2016

Unfortunately, the previous posts are mostly correct. I am a member of the NOC for now but very rarely post or look at the site due to the huge negativity on what is supposed to be an owners club forum. I tend to follow the Access Norton site, based in USA, which is extremely positive about the bikes we own.

I was even warned about the NOC on my factory tour in 2015, his exact words were 'don't bother with the NOC, they're a bit rabid and the 961 is the antichrist to most of that lot....'

Re: 961 owners

Posted by terry_woods at January 09. 2016

Previously steven_waight wrote:

Unfortunately, the previous posts are mostly correct. I am a member of the NOC for now but very rarely post or look at the site due to the huge negativity on what is supposed to be an owners club forum. I tend to follow the Access Norton site, based in USA, which is extremely positive about the bikes we own.

I was even warned about the NOC on my factory tour in 2015, his exact words were 'don't bother with the NOC, they're a bit rabid and the 961 is the antichrist to most of that lot....'

Steven

I've been a member of the club for nearly two years and followed the forums since day one, it would seem that most of the negativity towards the 961 came from the same half dozen or so posters and since the webmaster took action this seems to have abated (for now).

I'm not a fan of censorship nor bigotry and have to say that every genuine club member I've met has shown only positivity towards Norton and the 961.

Maybe this is a new beginning for the 961 NOC forum and we can now post helpful advice and positive criticism from those owners who know their machines. May I dare to suggest that any future posts by spiteful non owners are simply ignored.

Ride safe T

Re: 961 owners

Posted by webmaster at January 09. 2016

Previously terry_woods wrote:

Maybe this is a new beginning for the 961 NOC forum and we can now post helpful advice and positive criticism from those owners who know their machines. May I dare to suggest that any future posts by spiteful non owners are simply ignored.

Ride safe T


I will not be ignoring them, I will be removing them as soon as I see them!

Webmaster

Re: 961 Owners

Posted by dominic_loram at January 09. 2016

Previously graham_leblond wrote:

Perhaps the moderator can assist with this.   As I understand it from the factory there are some 1000 961's registered.  Presumably most are in the UK.   If so how many UK/European 961 owners are NOC members on this forum.   I only ask as there seems to be very few people inputting information for the amount of bikes available.  I know that other manufacturers sometimes give away their  own club memberships for a year when purchasing a new machine.   Perhaps this is something that could bolster membership of the NOC and introduce 961 owners etc.   Any views?

Thanks for your constructive ideas Graham.  During the latter part of last year we had agreed with Stuart Garner and the sales and servicing team to include a specifically designed flyer that would be handed out new sales and future servicing which will hopefully increase the 961 membership.

With having the AGM at donnington also has been to create a link with them as well as the club organising a few ride out and tours of the factory.  But as with everything there is always more we can do!

As webmaster points out lower down the thread not everyone lists their particular machines also many have 961's as second bikes to older Nortons of which are the ones the often register as THEIR bike.

As a 961 commando and Domiracer owner I have found lots of positive comments from meets and when riding in or out of club events  however no matter what marque of Norton you ride people have the personal favourites and dislikes the main thing is not everyone chooses to voice them.

and finally I believe that the majority of Nortons being produced now are going abroad with around 2-3000 bikes on order from America, Australia, and Asia and now the waiting list in the uk is about 6 in that the amount of bikes staying in the uk per the amount of demand is significantly less now then when they first launched.

hope this helps

Dom

Re: 961 owners

Posted by graham_leblond at January 09. 2016

HI Dom

 

Thank you very much for the input and information.  I know that this may not be the correct section in which to deal with the query and if so then I apologise.   However I also joined a local Branch,  well not local to me but closer to Terry Woods, who really introduced me to the Norton marque.

 

I have only been to their meetings a few times and all seem genuinely interested in the newer machinery as well as their own.  They are a very knowledgable group owning countless Nortons.   (I counted 32 bikes between 2 families).

 

That said when I asked if anyone was going to Italy next year, I was met with blank looks by most of the members who were not only unaware of the event but surprised that it had been arranged.  (I know that it is widely published in Roadholder).   If these are the grass root members that should hopefully be encouraging more into motorcycling and introducing them to Norton ownership then something is going wrong.

 

I know that with people, getting a coherent policy together to disseminate information, that will suit everyone is impossible. However in life we only really get out something if we put effort in.

 

I therefore hope that all the known and 'hidden' 961 owners on the forum will start to make themselves available so that we can carry the club forwards.   Many may start with a new 961 and progress into classic bike ownership.   I would hazard a guess that 961 owners are the younger members of NOC and are vital for the club to continue its vital role.

(and when I say younger I really do not include myself in that list!!!!)

Comments Please

Regards

Graham

Re: 961 owners

Posted by raphael_vonaesch at January 09. 2016

In Switzerland there were around 90 imports of 961 Commandos in 2011/2012. In May 2012 I got my Cafe Racer as order #81 for the Swiss market.

As far as I know I am the only Swiss NOC-member, language may be one of the reasons for not being active member.

Raphael, Switzerland

Re: 961 owners

Posted by graham_leblond at January 09. 2016

Hi Raphael   Sounds like you are volunteering  to be the local rep!!!!!!

 

 

 

Re: 961 owners

Posted by David Cooper at January 09. 2016
Graham... as an old-style Dommie owner I think you are of course correct. I'm amazed to realise I have had mine for 18 years and I confess I don't have the same enthusiasm for early morning runs out in poor weather as I once had. So the 961 must represent the future of the club. Older owners end up collecting lots of Nortons which they don't have time (or fitness) to ride. So bike availability falls and fewer appear on the market and on the road. So 961 (and, hopefully an expanding range) has to be welcomed. It must be the way to attract younger members. But then again...owning such things is a personal pleasure and we don't have an obligation to be evangelical. We don't benefit from spreading a religious devotion to Nortons since it will only raise the price and prevent expansion of our own collections!

Re: 961 owners

Posted by Jonathan Soons at January 09. 2016

Previously David Cooper wrote:

We don't benefit from spreading a religious devotion to Nortons since it will only raise the price and prevent expansion of our own collections!

 

Don't worry about that. Trendiness is established by wealthy young men in Brooklyn and Tokyo who wear very expensive leather jackets and pudding basin helmets. They look for vintage bikes their peers will admire. The 650SS and the Bonneville are on the list. There are no "single brand" enthusiasts among them (although I met one who will only buy unit Bonnevilles). Luckily for me the Atlas and the iron-head 6T are not trendy yet so I can continue buying parts for them.

Re: 961 owners

Posted by graham_leblond at January 09. 2016
Previously David Cooper wrote:
Graham... as an old-style Dommie owner I think you are of course correct. I'm amazed to realise I have had mine for 18 years and I confess I don't have the same enthusiasm for early morning runs out in poor weather as I once had. So the 961 must represent the future of the club. Older owners end up collecting lots of Nortons which they don't have time (or fitness) to ride. So bike availability falls and fewer appear on the market and on the road. So 961 (and, hopefully an expanding range) has to be welcomed. It must be the way to attract younger members. But then again...owning such things is a personal pleasure and we don't have an obligation to be evangelical. We don't benefit from spreading a religious devotion to Nortons since it will only raise the price and prevent expansion of our own collections!
David Quite the contrary, I think that if availability falls and fewer appear on the market then prices will increase. This seems to be the trend with most things. I do hope I wasn't coming across as evangelical. I was merely commenting on what has previously been said at AGM's regarding the future of the club.

Re: 961 owners

Posted by dominic_loram at January 09. 2016

Previously graham_leblond wrote:

HI Dom

 

Thank you very much for the input and information.  I know that this may not be the correct section in which to deal with the query and if so then I apologise.   However I also joined a local Branch,  well not local to me but closer to Terry Woods, who really introduced me to the Norton marque.

 

I have only been to their meetings a few times and all seem genuinely interested in the newer machinery as well as their own.  They are a very knowledgable group owning countless Nortons.   (I counted 32 bikes between 2 families).

 

That said when I asked if anyone was going to Italy next year, I was met with blank looks by most of the members who were not only unaware of the event but surprised that it had been arranged.  (I know that it is widely published in Roadholder).   If these are the grass root members that should hopefully be encouraging more into motorcycling and introducing them to Norton ownership then something is going wrong.

 

I know that with people, getting a coherent policy together to disseminate information, that will suit everyone is impossible. However in life we only really get out something if we put effort in.

 

I therefore hope that all the known and 'hidden' 961 owners on the forum will start to make themselves available so that we can carry the club forwards.   Many may start with a new 961 and progress into classic bike ownership.   I would hazard a guess that 961 owners are the younger members of NOC and are vital for the club to continue its vital role.

(and when I say younger I really do not include myself in that list!!!!)

Comments Please

Regards

Graham

 

 

Hi graham.

 

As as a branch chairman and organising events etc I do find it frustrating regarding branches not knowing about events etc.  As you rightly pointed out the information is there for anyone to find if they are willing to look,the rally in question has been in roadholder for a few months now even with a flyer inside that would have fallen into the members lap. We (the club) also have a Facebook and Twitter page to further help keep in the limelight for those that use them to keep them up to date with club news. Also we have just released an app last month that members can download to their phones, tablet etc (and non members) for free! This has club news, events, NOC shop and more as well as giving our members notifications (there will be an alert sound on thee device and a message flash up on the screen) which will tell the user of the new information.

 

You out raised a great point in that everyone has their own preference with regard to how much we push them to tell them what's going on. Some people don't like getting emails every week telling them what goes on. Others do..... Getting this mix right is a tricky thing indeed.

Re: 961 owners

Posted by David Cooper at January 09. 2016
Hi Graham. ..no offence intended or taken! I agree...as bikes are gathered together, fewer appear on the market so price goes up as availability goes down so prospective younger new owners have less chance to buy. I'd love to go to Italy but.. my wife won't let me. And I'm not sure my 16H would not cripple me on such a trip!

Re: 961 owners

Posted by graham_leblond at January 11. 2016

Hi David    Aha    I knew there was something I had forgotten to do.  I'm sure she won't be that upset but maybe I will wait until I load the bike!!!!!!   and you could always load up on painkillers and cheap wine,   what could go wrong!

Re: 961 owners

Posted by graham_leblond at January 11. 2016

Previously Jonathan Soons wrote:

Previously David Cooper wrote:

We don't benefit from spreading a religious devotion to Nortons since it will only raise the price and prevent expansion of our own collections!

 

Don't worry about that. Trendiness is established by wealthy young men in Brooklyn and Tokyo who wear very expensive leather jackets and pudding basin helmets. They look for vintage bikes their peers will admire. The 650SS and the Bonneville are on the list. There are no "single brand" enthusiasts among them (although I met one who will only buy unit Bonnevilles). Luckily for me the Atlas and the iron-head 6T are not trendy yet so I can continue buying parts for them.

Hi Jonathan   I admit that 'hipsters' have no doubt entered the market place and have disposable income to buy what they want.    However I think whilst many of the NOC are dedicated to Norton's, many ride other brands and dare I say in foreign ones.  Doesn't necessarily make you a bad person.

Re: 961 owners

Posted by Jonathan Soons at January 15. 2016

Previously graham_leblond wrote:

However I think whilst many of the NOC are dedicated to Norton's, many ride other brands and dare I say in foreign ones.  Doesn't necessarily make you a bad person.

I own BMWs and a Goldwing. Am I bad?

Re: 961 owners

Posted by Gordon Johnston at January 15. 2016

Of course you are! But it's SO much more fun than being good...

1 Norton. 4 BSAs. 1 Velo.  1 Rudge. 1 Douglas.

Re: 961 owners

Posted by graham_leblond at January 15. 2016

Now I am jealous,   I had to sell three bikes and most of the spares in my garage to buy my desired Norton.

Re: 961 owners

Posted by kevin_robinson at January 15. 2016

In a recent conversation with the president of Norton Canada there are currently 40 961's in Canada. I have the second one registered on the road in North America a 2013 961 Sport. The sport model in Canada is what eventually became known as the SF with the upside down forks. It seems our regulators deemed the different front end on the Sport enough of a difference to require it being certified as a completely separate bike. To get around this all pre-ordered sports came over with this upgrade. Once those orders will filled the Sport was replaced by the SF. I have had it for 2 full seasons now and even took it on a 5 day adventure. Contrary to all the negative press the bike was reliable and a great conversation starter while on the road.

Re: 961 owners

Posted by graham_leblond at January 15. 2016

Hi Kevin

Glad to hear a positive  report rather than all the negative stuff from people who don't own one.   Do you meet other owners out there or is it as fragmented as it is here

Regards

Graham

Re: 961 owners

Posted by graham_leblond at January 15. 2016

I checked with Karen at the factory and unfortunately complete records of owners of 961's are not kept and indeed it would seem that with many of the early bikes the records are completely lost.  The legalities of the Data Protection Act would also prevent her from providing what details the company currently hold.  Trying to contact the owners therefore might be a bit more difficult than I thought.   Still I am not deterred but if anyone has any other ideas please let me know.

Re: 961 owners

Posted by kevin_robinson at January 16. 2016

Hi Graham

I'm the only one with a new 961 in Southern Ontario the next closest to me is in Kitchener. Considering the size of Canada, owners of the new 961 are few and far apart. We do have a decent sized group riding older ones though. I have met 2 others on the road in 2 years and only because of a club function with the Ontario Norton Owners.

Kevin

Re: 961 owners

Posted by phil_hannam at January 16. 2016

The lost factory records are very worrying.  The non-owners will now have more amnunition to fire negative comments at the factory. I trust that they soon surface otherwise this might impact on owners of early 961s that are stolen.

It is very pleasing to note that the Canadian importers/agents have released some useful servicing videos on UTube.

The Rider's Handbook is a bit strange containing 34 pages out of 116 that are titled 'blank page' and actually are. Perhaps these are where the missing records got lost.

Re: 961 owners

Posted by graham_leblond at January 17. 2016

I am not sure how this would impact on owners of early 961'S in the event of a theft.  The records as far as I am aware relate to the purchase and not the vehicles themselves.  I was looking to contact the owners!

I was also not looking to be negative, in fact to the contrary, I was looking for a way forwards.  Personally I am tired of those that knock the factory for petty and sometimes malicious reasons.  Just because something has been written on the internet does not make it true.

There are people who think that because the internet is anonymous they can say whatever they want and there is no recourse.  So on that note cheer up and just enjoy the ride!

I think that there is another thread in relation to sharing technical information but do you have links to those mentioned as I am sure owners would find it useful.

Thanks

Re: 961 owners

Posted by john_evans1 at January 17. 2016

As a fairly new member myself I have noted the disdain shown toward the current Norton in general.

I appreciate the bad initial press did little to help their cause but as with all new ventures there will be problems.The question is,do they rectify these issues or not?. If the latter they are doomed.

I have no personal knowledge as to the answer to that hypothetical question.I do know however that if I was ever prepared to spend nearly 20k on a motorcycle,I would definitely buy one as I love the style of the bike.

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