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Posted by russell_pitcher at August 12. 2016

I was riding on a newly surfaced road and a granite chip punctured my headlamp lens.

The bike is a 2011 Cafe Racer with a 175mm headlamp.

Norton no longer supply that lamp and have no spares.

They suggested a complete headlamp replacement, together with part of the loom.

They were unable to give me a price without raising an invoice.

The lens is plain glass.

Has anyone had a similar experience and know where a replacement glass can be obtained?

The original lamp is from a Chinese supplier, Jute.

Russell

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by graham_leblond at August 13. 2016

Hi Russell    I am not  sure if the following link will help but Jute products have been used by triumph specialists for years.   The link takes you to the requisite page for replacement glass.  I am not sure if they are a direct replacement but a call direct to them would probably sort out your problem.   Regards   Graham

http://www.triumphparts.gbr.cc/search.php/jute

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by russell_pitcher at August 14. 2016

Thanks Graham, I will follow this up.

I have a couple of other suggestions as well.

regards, Russell

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by richard_woolnough at August 14. 2016

isn't there something in EU regs that stipulate an availability of spare parts for 10yrs after the ceasation of manufacture? kind regards

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by ian_cordes at August 14. 2016

If headlights are no longer available, does that mean that if one breaks, the bike is technically a write-off??!!

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by russell_pitcher at August 14. 2016

Previously richard_woolnough wrote:

isn't there something in EU regs that stipulate an availability of spare parts for 10yrs after the ceasation of manufacture? kind regards

I did mention this to the Norton spares dept. It fell on deaf ears.

They no longer supply that headlamp but the later model fits.

It does not, however, have the chrome bezel which makes it less attractive in my view.

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by David Cooper at August 14. 2016
Since you say it is flat glass...have you tried a local glass supplier? I assume it is toughened glass but surely that's not a problem?

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by russell_pitcher at August 15. 2016

Interesting thought.

i doubt it's that simple. The glass is plain meaning that it has no "lenses" included to focus or direct the light.

i can't tell if it's flat as it's now in pieces.

I'm following the Triumph route.

Russell

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by David Cooper at August 15. 2016
Hi Russell. Obviously I don't know how that one was designed. But until a few years ago headlights had simple parabolic reflectors to project the light forwards in a 'perfect' parallel beam. Then the lens at the front was optically complicated to form the beam into the required pattern with cut-off etc. But nowadays all the focusing is done by computer assisted designed reflectors which have their own super complicated 3-D shape, and the glass (usually polycarbonate on cars) is there for aerodynamics, and keeping the dirt of the reflector. So optically they are simply flat even if they look strongly curved. So when you look inside a modern headlight you can see the contents (the bulbs) perfectly clearly and they don't shift optically when you move your head from side to side. Obviously a 'proper' light will be guaranteed to have the correct material properties (whatever they are). I am surprised Norton uses glass. Polycarbonate plastics are almost universal on cars - and they change from clear to being smoky after about 10 years of UV light. My old car needs new lamps because the old ones are going milky white. Pretty much all are over about 10 to 12 years old are losing their headlghts (which I think is an unacceptable design flaw!) But they are lighter and less likely to chip. Good luck on the hunt!

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by ian_cordes at August 15. 2016

A note on polycarbonate lenses, as a little aside from the main thread.  When they go milky, which as you say, they will in time, don't buy new ones. 'T' cutting them restores their clarity. This was a tip from an MoT tester, which works.

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by roger_johnson at August 18. 2016

Previously russell_pitcher wrote:

I was riding on a newly surfaced road and a granite chip punctured my headlamp lens.

The bike is a 2011 Cafe Racer with a 175mm headlamp.

Norton no longer supply that lamp and have no spares.

They suggested a complete headlamp replacement, together with part of the loom.

They were unable to give me a price without raising an invoice.

The lens is plain glass.

Has anyone had a similar experience and know where a replacement glass can be obtained?

The original lamp is from a Chinese supplier, Jute.

Russell

Hi Russell, the glass is slightly domed [outwards] and does have directional flutes.

Roger

 

 

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by jason_coupland at September 05. 2016

Hi I have a headlight protector fitted to my mk11 cafe racer. I bought it off eBay as from a company called Slipstream. I know it's too late for the original headlight but might be worth considering when you get a replacement.

Jason

Re: 961 headlamp glass

Posted by russell_pitcher at September 06. 2016

Update..

A forum member kindly offered to sell me a glass and reflector but it was set up for continental dip.

The glass is bonded to the reflector.

The Triumph lamp (also by Jute) fouls the ignition barrel and is wider at the fitting lugs (200 mm v 185 mm)

There are lamps on eBay from £12! including bulb to £50 but have the wider fitment.

Purchased complete headlamp from Norton, through the ever pleasant and helpful Karen, for £155 incl. VAT

Cheap way to repair roads, expensive for the road user.

Thanks for all the interest, Russell

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