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Re: Indian Interstate tank

Posted by Martin Freeman at April 11. 2017

I have found the above posts very informative. I have purchased one of these Indian tanks in bare metal and so far have only primed it. We should consider these tanks in the same light as used second hand ones fron the breaker; They need testing before spending a fortune on paint.

Two things stand out from the posts, assume they are full of muck and rinse out with parrafin before fitting and secondly use them with plenty of petrol in to find any pin holes that need a spot of braze. Steel tanks with leaks are nothing new and can be fixed, and to me are a better idea than 40 year old fibreglass -lined or not.

regards martin

Re: Indian Interstate tank

Posted by Kevin Feltoe at April 11. 2017

Previously Martin Freeman wrote:

I have found the above posts very informative. I have purchased one of these Indian tanks in bare metal and so far have only primed it. We should consider these tanks in the same light as used second hand ones fron the breaker; They need testing before spending a fortune on paint.

Two things stand out from the posts, assume they are full of muck and rinse out with parrafin before fitting and secondly use them with plenty of petrol in to find any pin holes that need a spot of braze. Steel tanks with leaks are nothing new and can be fixed, and to me are a better idea than 40 year old fibreglass -lined or not.

regards martin

Unfortunately Martin, they sell these tanks in finished condition. I.e. painted.  One hopes that a finished tank would be exactly that. I am not naïve enough to expect not to have to clean one out, but I didn't expect that the fuel would wash off an inner coating and block the carb. Nor did I expect a painted tank to leak through pin holes and cause the paint to bubble. Brazing a painted tank would have called for a re-spray. Had I washed the tank out vigorously I would probably have damaged it. The supplied and fitted tank cap was so loose, it was obviously bodged to fit and wouldn't hold fuel. It was so loose (undersized roll pin) that the fuel washed off the paint around the filler mouth within hours.

You are lucky to have bought an unpainted one. I wish you luck with it, but I suggest a pressure test under water before you go any further.

Kev

 

Re: Indian Interstate tank

Posted by andy_chetwood at April 11. 2017

Previously Kevin Feltoe wrote:

Right then Gents. How do we go about lobbying the Club to have fuel tanks made?

Do we collect signatures and hand them in at the Chairman's front door, or do we just generally moan and gripe for ever more. Perhaps this is the first really really MAJOR manufacturing purchase that the club needs to make, or at least get an idea of the cost. It seems to me that the EC could decide how much could be put to one side for fuel tank manufacture and then see if the job could be done within that price. As fibreglass tanks are being eaten alive, new Interstates would be the logical first build, I think! There must be someone out there that could make a batch of six for a 'sensible' price.

What say you all?  Yes or no?

Perhaps we need a 'Club Priority Purchase' page on the web site for NOC Members to append their names to. Or perhaps we have and I've missed it.

Kev

What Ho Kev.

I'm saying this in a hushed voice with a cupped hand. I think you have a good point. I hope you don't live close to me because I don't want to be in the vicinity when the NOC EC lightning bolts begin to rain down.

By the way this isn't me and I reserve the right to be tried by a jury.

Re: Indian Interstate tank

Posted by robert_tuck at April 11. 2017

I have a spent a little  time in  dealing with Indian suppliers.  I think there are craftsmen over there very capable of producing what we want at a very cheap price.The problem is that they don't know what we want or expect.  There is also a comunication problem caused by several layers of middlemen who have no technical understanding of what we need and little interest.  Items are being produced by   tradesmen who have never seen a Norton , ridden one and dont have a bike to measure. Think how different this is to the situation back in the day at Nortons or AMC and you will get a feel for what is the likely result.The quality control needs to be done at the point of manufacture  if the product is to get the feedback it needs to improve.Usually the mark up is so large that the dealer justs accepts the loss on returns and does not bother to pass on the issues back to the maker.

Re: Indian Interstate tank

Posted by Neil Wyatt at April 11. 2017

Previously Kevin Feltoe wrote:

Right then Gents. How do we go about lobbying the Club to have fuel tanks made?

Do we collect signatures and hand them in at the Chairman's front door, or do we just generally moan and gripe for ever more. Perhaps this is the first really really MAJOR manufacturing purchase that the club needs to make, or at least get an idea of the cost. It seems to me that the EC could decide how much could be put to one side for fuel tank manufacture and then see if the job could be done within that price. As fibreglass tanks are being eaten alive, new Interstates would be the logical first build, I think! There must be someone out there that could make a batch of six for a 'sensible' price.

What say you all?  Yes or no?

Perhaps we need a 'Club Priority Purchase' page on the web site for NOC Members to append their names to. Or perhaps we have and I've missed it.

Kev

I'll sign up to that Kev and for all the other Norton parts currently not available. But wouldn't it be better to first tackle the root cause and lobby government so that we might have a real choice in fuel. Currently we are ruled by targets for no good reason.

Re: Indian Interstate tank

Posted by alan_blackhurst at April 11. 2017

A company called Holtworks will make aluminium tanks if you order minimum​ 10. They do look good check out there web site

Re: Indian Interstate tank

Posted by Kevin Feltoe at April 11. 2017

Previously Kevin Feltoe wrote:

Previously Martin Freeman wrote:

I have found the above posts very informative. I have purchased one of these Indian tanks in bare metal and so far have only primed it. We should consider these tanks in the same light as used second hand ones fron the breaker; They need testing before spending a fortune on paint.

Two things stand out from the posts, assume they are full of muck and rinse out with parrafin before fitting and secondly use them with plenty of petrol in to find any pin holes that need a spot of braze. Steel tanks with leaks are nothing new and can be fixed, and to me are a better idea than 40 year old fibreglass -lined or not.

regards martin

Unfortunately Martin, they sell these tanks in finished condition. I.e. painted.  One hopes that a finished tank would be exactly that. I am not naïve enough to expect not to have to clean one out, but I didn't expect that the fuel would wash off an inner coating and block the carb. Nor did I expect a painted tank to leak through pin holes and cause the paint to bubble. Brazing a painted tank would have called for a re-spray. Had I washed the tank out vigorously I would probably have damaged it. The supplied and fitted tank cap was so loose, it was obviously bodged to fit and wouldn't hold fuel. It was so loose (undersized roll pin) that the fuel washed off the paint around the filler mouth within hours.

You are lucky to have bought an unpainted one. I wish you luck with it, but I suggest a pressure test under water before you go any further.

Kev

 

By the way Martin, if you haven't done so already, and before you get it painted, you might also want to fit a tank cap to your tank with a correct size roll pin to see if the cap will open properly.

Kev

Re: Indian Interstate tank

Posted by Kevin Feltoe at April 11. 2017

Previously robert_tuck wrote:

I have a spent a little  time in  dealing with Indian suppliers.  I think there are craftsmen over there very capable of producing what we want at a very cheap price.The problem is that they don't know what we want or expect.  There is also a comunication problem caused by several layers of middlemen who have no technical understanding of what we need and little interest.  Items are being produced by   tradesmen who have never seen a Norton , ridden one and dont have a bike to measure. Think how different this is to the situation back in the day at Nortons or AMC and you will get a feel for what is the likely result.The quality control needs to be done at the point of manufacture  if the product is to get the feedback it needs to improve.Usually the mark up is so large that the dealer justs accepts the loss on returns and does not bother to pass on the issues back to the maker.

 

Robert, you are absolutely right. The problem is undoubtedly caused by a complete lack of understanding of what is wanted and expected by people who actually ride our motorcycles. I have no doubt that Quality Control would not even know where to start, and why should it when customers are thousands of miles away and unlikely to bite back. I have also noticed recently that toys for my grandchildren that have been made in China can be a total let down. They can be quite deplorable; so bad in fact that I fume at the thought of wasted effort and resources. I refuse to buy them, but those who have lesser expectations in the family do, and are continuously underwhelmed.

Is it that our expectations are to blame here? Are they too high? Then again, is it just a case of, 'getting what you pay for'?

It is noticeable that Vintageindia produces a legion of 'stuff'. I can't help wondering what their other 'stuff' is like. If its what I have now come to expect, I'll stay well clear.

Kev

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