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Posted by david_metcalf at May 30. 2017

I have a 650ss which is not charging the battery. The bike is fitted with a new regulator /rectifier unit and a Pazon electronic ignition. The stator and rotor are original. I have checked the stator output and am getting 30V ac across the 2 wires from  the stator. I have also checked the resistance down to ground which is infinite

Can anybody tell me if the voltage measured at the stator is correct for the regulator /rectified unit (Areg one from  Paul Goff).

Also what is the best way to check the reg/rec unit and any other suggestions to check the stator would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

David

Re: 650ss charging problems

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at May 30. 2017
Previously david_metcalf wrote:

I have a 650ss which is not charging the battery. The bike is fitted with a new regulator /rectifier unit and a Pazon electronic ignition. The stator and rotor are original. I have checked the stator output and am getting 30V ac across the 2 wires from  the stator. I have also checked the resistance down to ground which is infinite

Can anybody tell me if the voltage measured at the stator is correct for the regulator /rectified unit (Areg one from  Paul Goff).

Also what is the best way to check the reg/rec unit and any other suggestions to check the stator would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

David

Hello is it wiring up the right way though the amp meter  live to go to frame  everything on wires  is negative  so have you tried the live red wires to the frame  has paint  gets in the way  and you have no connection    think on these bikes are positive  earth  

Re: 650ss charging problems

Posted by robert_tuck at May 31. 2017

If the battery is fully charged then it won't charge, leave the lights on for a bit.

Re: 650ss charging problems

Posted by alan_osborn at May 31. 2017

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

I have a 650ss which is not charging the battery. The bike is fitted with a new regulator /rectifier unit and a Pazon electronic ignition. The stator and rotor are original. I have checked the stator output and am getting 30V ac across the 2 wires from  the stator. I have also checked the resistance down to ground which is infinite

Can anybody tell me if the voltage measured at the stator is correct for the regulator /rectified unit (Areg one from  Paul Goff).

Also what is the best way to check the reg/rec unit and any other suggestions to check the stator would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

David

As both the above answers are total rubbish I suggest they are ignored.

The testing of the alternator can be done by going to the appropriate pdf on my web site. But your test is useful although as regards an output voltage this is not very useful, better to power a lamp-as per test on web site.

Testing of the A reg I can fully test these. If you send it to me with return postage (£5) I can test it.

A O Services

Re: 650ss charging problems

Posted by david_metcalf at May 31. 2017
Previously alan_osborn wrote:

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

I have a 650ss which is not charging the battery. The bike is fitted with a new regulator /rectifier unit and a Pazon electronic ignition. The stator and rotor are original. I have checked the stator output and am getting 30V ac across the 2 wires from  the stator. I have also checked the resistance down to ground which is infinite

Can anybody tell me if the voltage measured at the stator is correct for the regulator /rectified unit (Areg one from  Paul Goff).

Also what is the best way to check the reg/rec unit and any other suggestions to check the stator would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

David

As both the above answers are total rubbish I suggest they are ignored.

The testing of the alternator can be done by going to the appropriate pdf on my web site. But your test is useful although as regards an output voltage this is not very useful, better to power a lamp-as per test on web site.

Testing of the A reg I can fully test these. If you send it to me with return postage (£5) I can test it.

A O Services

Thanks for the info, I will try the lamp test and confirm wiring tonight.

Re: 650ss charging problems

Posted by david_metcalf at May 31. 2017

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

Previously alan_osborn wrote:

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

I have a 650ss which is not charging the battery. The bike is fitted with a new regulator /rectifier unit and a Pazon electronic ignition. The stator and rotor are original. I have checked the stator output and am getting 30V ac across the 2 wires from  the stator. I have also checked the resistance down to ground which is infinite

Can anybody tell me if the voltage measured at the stator is correct for the regulator /rectified unit (Areg one from  Paul Goff).

Also what is the best way to check the reg/rec unit and any other suggestions to check the stator would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

David

As both the above answers are total rubbish I suggest they are ignored.

The testing of the alternator can be done by going to the appropriate pdf on my web site. But your test is useful although as regards an output voltage this is not very useful, better to power a lamp-as per test on web site.

Testing of the A reg I can fully test these. If you send it to me with return postage (£5) I can test it.

A O Services


Re: 650ss charging problems

Posted by david_metcalf at May 31. 2017

Thanks for the info, I will carry out the lamp test and check the wiring tonight

Re: 650ss charging problems

Posted by david_metcalf at May 31. 2017

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

Previously alan_osborn wrote:

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

I have a 650ss which is not charging the battery. The bike is fitted with a new regulator /rectifier unit and a Pazon electronic ignition. The stator and rotor are original. I have checked the stator output and am getting 30V ac across the 2 wires from  the stator. I have also checked the resistance down to ground which is infinite

Can anybody tell me if the voltage measured at the stator is correct for the regulator /rectified unit (Areg one from  Paul Goff).

Also what is the best way to check the reg/rec unit and any other suggestions to check the stator would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

David

As both the above answers are total rubbish I suggest they are ignored.

The testing of the alternator can be done by going to the appropriate pdf on my web site. But your test is useful although as regards an output voltage this is not very useful, better to power a lamp-as per test on web site.

Testing of the A reg I can fully test these. If you send it to me with return postage (£5) I can test it.

A O Services


Alan

Can you tell me why the voltage reading is not very useful information ? Is this not an indication that the stator is working ?

 

Thanks

David

Re: 650ss charging problems

Posted by alan_osborn at May 31. 2017

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

Previously alan_osborn wrote:

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

I have a 650ss which is not charging the battery. The bike is fitted with a new regulator /rectifier unit and a Pazon electronic ignition. The stator and rotor are original. I have checked the stator output and am getting 30V ac across the 2 wires from  the stator. I have also checked the resistance down to ground which is infinite

Can anybody tell me if the voltage measured at the stator is correct for the regulator /rectified unit (Areg one from  Paul Goff).

Also what is the best way to check the reg/rec unit and any other suggestions to check the stator would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

David

As both the above answers are total rubbish I suggest they are ignored.

The testing of the alternator can be done by going to the appropriate pdf on my web site. But your test is useful although as regards an output voltage this is not very useful, better to power a lamp-as per test on web site.

Testing of the A reg I can fully test these. If you send it to me with return postage (£5) I can test it.

A O Services


Alan

Can you tell me why the voltage reading is not very useful information ? Is this not an indication that the stator is working ?

 

Thanks

David

Right 'ere we go. Just about every Multimeter we would be using is designed to measure mains frequency 50c/s and the RMS of a sine wave. BUT from your bikes alternator we have a variable frequency some 60c/s to many hundreds. The wave form (form factor) I can assure you is disgusting due to the way the magnets wizz past the coils. Then there is the fact that voltage is one thing while 'power' is another. So if you test with a single beam from a headlamp bulb and it glows bright then you have 45W! and no arguments.

Modern cheap digital Multimeters also pick up ignition interference and then jump all over the place. If you have no electrical knowledge do not poses a Multimeter and even less understand how to use one, then you can still do a light bulb test and it will have a lot of meaning.

Here endeth the first lesson.

Re: 650ss charging problems

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at June 03. 2017
Previously alan_osborn wrote:

Previously david_metcalf wrote:

I have a 650ss which is not charging the battery. The bike is fitted with a new regulator /rectifier unit and a Pazon electronic ignition. The stator and rotor are original. I have checked the stator output and am getting 30V ac across the 2 wires from  the stator. I have also checked the resistance down to ground which is infinite

Can anybody tell me if the voltage measured at the stator is correct for the regulator /rectified unit (Areg one from  Paul Goff).

Also what is the best way to check the reg/rec unit and any other suggestions to check the stator would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks

David

As both the above answers are total rubbish I suggest they are ignored.

The testing of the alternator can be done by going to the appropriate pdf on my web site. But your test is useful although as regards an output voltage this is not very useful, better to power a lamp-as per test on web site.

Testing of the A reg I can fully test these. If you send it to me with return postage (£5) I can test it.

A O Services

 

   Hello  like  you all ignore  the Norton Manxman 650   and said the wiring was all wrong   well even Hayens Norton twins even got the wiring diagrams wrong for the 650Manxman  and you do need a good earth on any motorcycle or cars  or any vehicle  that's a fact  not rubbish  and Norton twins are wired through the ammeter  which should give you some indication of   charge  or not  if you put your lights on  you get a reading  my Norton Manxman 650 is now updated to 12volts  with a 12 volt ammeter and charges well  and has had a  12 volt wiring harness made  to the right wiring diagram and Sa41 lighting switch  has standard  on most 650s    yours   anna j 

Re: 650ss charging problems

Posted by alan_osborn at June 16. 2017

As we heard no more about this non charging fault and the reg/rect was not sent for testing we must assume that David Metcalf got to the bottom of this problem. Good.

Re: 650ss charging problems

Posted by david_metcalf at June 19. 2017

Previously alan_osborn wrote:

As we heard no more about this non charging fault and the reg/rect was not sent for testing we must assume that David Metcalf got to the bottom of this problem. Good.


Apologies for not getting back to you sooner but I have been away for a while. Yes you are correct I did get to the bottom of the charging issue, it was quite simply a disconnected wire in the harness. Easy fix !  Thanks for everybody's help on this matter

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