My Norton

well this is my dominator when i got it

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Not much to do then.

Hmm, plenty of tread on the tyres then!

Its funny how different people may look at the same thing & see something different. Some may see a rusty pile-o-junk, I see a complete bike!! My M77 started out with a frame, rear wheel, most of the engine & gearbox, I would have loved to have all the parts like this one has. Awesome find, good luck!!!!

Ooh, what a great find! I am currently working on a couple of bikes which have been stored in a shed for almost 50 years. I changed the mag on one and it started 2nd kick! It's amazing how well the oily bits last. Something to be said for the curse of the Brit bikes...

Well she looks a bit different now-  almost done, but its been hard as a friend ? of mine decided to strip it down when I was away and lost loads of bits so its been frustrating and I've ended up spending out on lots of bits. I'm not doing it as concours, as I intend to use it every day and dropped a few clangers buying bits so if anyone needs a siamese exhaust for a 650SS, I've got one going spare and its in reasonable condition.

Well tommorow it's off to the DVLA with pics and a old tax disk and I'll see if I can get a logbook.

Ok I've put the siamese down pipe on ebay if anyone is interested in it?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280821039051?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649

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ok iv put the siamese down pipe on ebay if eny one is interested in it

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280821039051?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649

 

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ok iv put the siamese down pipe on ebay if eny one is interested in it

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280821039051?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649

 Hello These Pipes On Ebay will not fit your Model .These are for a 650SS if you Look . I have room on my bench if my want me to rebuild you this machine a easy one all the tin-wear it there , try getting tin-wear for a 1954 dominator .like mudguards .i have had to make my own ? And I see that Royal cursaders are make some nice tin wear from Dominator now like wideline mudguard in chrome but when you look you will see there for the Slimline frame NOT the Wideline , they also make tanks in chrome for 1954 and 1955 model dominators the is a diffrence the 54 model have a wing filler cap ,the 55 models as a burnit fitting fuel cap , all so if you need the paint for your Norton then go too Nu-againe Paints Bedford ,These Guys are The Best in the Paint Business .they been doing it for over 60 years , You need Signal or post office Red in cellose base then lacqured over the top .And to treat rusty cycle parts clean with a big wire rotary brush ,but wear the right protective clothing and eye wear ,and the same when you are using a spray gun for painting and only paint where there is NO naked lights ,ie flames ! gas or electric fires .if you need to heat the room your working in do this first get the room up to the tempreture you need , and when you ready to spray paint switch OFF any Heat source you have been using. Best undercoat  Zinc 182 Isopon ,Hope this may help you in some way.

ALLWAY Think! SAFETY first!   Yours Anna J              ps .  Happy rebuild

 

hello I keep getting error code 305 when posting messages ????? this need FIX ing

Anna, if you had bothered to read Chris's post, you would have seen that he is SELLING the siamesed down pipes, not intending to buy them.       He knows they are wrong for his bike, but, if you look at his photos, they DO fit!  Since the Dominator in question is obviously later than '54, or '55, why are you waffling about early tinware?   Since Chris has taken on a major restoration, he probably knows what he is doing.  Stop teaching grandma to suck eggs"

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Anna, if you had bothered to read Chris's post, you would have seen that he is SELLING the siamesed down pipes, not intending to buy them.       He knows they are wrong for his bike, but, if you look at his photos, they DO fit!  Since the Dominator in question is obviously later than '54, or '55, why are you waffling about early tinware?   Since Chris has taken on a major restoration, he probably knows what he is doing.  Stop teaching grandma to suck eggs"

Hello John, Well The Bike in the photo bucket is from late 1958/9 Not 1955 , And as on Ebay this does not not reveal the seller , of these exhaust pipes , so carm down now and the tin-wear I was writing about is on sale on Ebay  if you care to read my posting .ps I am a grandma ! and 650ss exhaust will not fit a 1955 machine ? and I would Not call this a Major restoration ether  it just a easy rebuild.A major restoration is when you making most of the parts your self  From patens !  Anna J

What are you on about Anna?   The thread was started by Chris, with photos of the Dommy he had bought to restore.  The photos clearly show a siamese exhaust (which he is now offering for sale). No one, except you, has ever mentioned a '54, or '55 Dominator.  The only one to mention e-bay was Chris, when he put them for sale.  Of course he doesn't want to buy them, but, they would fit his bike, because he has just taken them off!   John. 

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Anna, if you had bothered to read Chris's post, you would have seen that he is SELLING the siamesed down pipes, not intending to buy them.       He knows they are wrong for his bike, but, if you look at his photos, they DO fit!  Since the Dominator in question is obviously later than '54, or '55, why are you waffling about early tinware?   Since Chris has taken on a major restoration, he probably knows what he is doing.  Stop teaching grandma to suck eggs"

Hello John, Well The Bike in the photo bucket is from late 1958/9 Not 1955 , And as on Ebay this does not not reveal the seller , of these exhaust pipes , so carm down now and the tin-wear I was writing about is on sale on Ebay  if you care to read my posting .ps I am a grandma ! and 650ss exhaust will not fit a 1955 machine ? and I would Not call this a Major restoration ether  it just a easy rebuild.A major restoration is when you making most of the parts your self  From patens !  Anna J

 

Absolute rubbish with appalling spelling and grammar, as we have come to expect! This type of response spoils a generally good site.

John,

Be fair- you forget the entertainment factor. I ALWAYS read the comments by AJD. I wonder when the fabulous Norton Manx(wo)man, best model of all times, will creep into this here post.

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John,

Be fair- you forget the entertainment factor. I ALWAYS read the comments by AJD. I wonder when the fabulous Norton Manx(wo)man, best model of all times, will creep into this here post.

Quite! Anna's posts are always entertaining and one should observe that she knows more about Nortons than many although I accept that separating the wheat is sometimes difficult. By the way, I believe John is wrong. The siamese pipes that Chris is selling on Ebay are not the ones pictured on his bike but 650SS ones that he bought in error.

Cheers

Alan 

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John,

Be fair- you forget the entertainment factor. I ALWAYS read the comments by AJD. I wonder when the fabulous Norton Manx(wo)man, best model of all times, will creep into this here post.

Quite! Anna's posts are always entertaining and one should observe that she knows more about Nortons than many although I accept that separating the wheat is sometimes difficult. By the way, I believe John is wrong. The siamese pipes that Chris is selling on Ebay are not the ones pictured on his bike but 650SS ones that he bought in error.

Cheers

Alan 

 O.K. Alan,  I may have got it wrong about the pipes which were up for sale.   For the rest; "Midsommer Murders" was entertaining at first, but, with the same plot, week after week, became boring!

Cheers,  John.

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Anna, if you had bothered to read Chris's post, you would have seen that he is SELLING the siamesed down pipes, not intending to buy them.       He knows they are wrong for his bike, but, if you look at his photos, they DO fit!  Since the Dominator in question is obviously later than '54, or '55, why are you waffling about early tinware?   Since Chris has taken on a major restoration, he probably knows what he is doing.  Stop teaching grandma to suck eggs"

Hello John, Well The Bike in the photo bucket is from late 1958/9 Not 1955 , And as on Ebay this does not not reveal the seller , of these exhaust pipes , so carm down now and the tin-wear I was writing about is on sale on Ebay  if you care to read my posting .ps I am a grandma ! and 650ss exhaust will not fit a 1955 machine ? and I would Not call this a Major restoration ether  it just a easy rebuild.A major restoration is when you making most of the parts your self  From patens !  Anna J

 

Absolute rubbish with appalling spelling and grammar, as we have come to expect! This type of response spoils a generally good site.

Hello John M   if do not like that you read then do not log on and read it! and theres no need to  insult me ether when its not called for , that will the younger riders think ?

ok for a start the exaust i am selling is off a 650ss not the domenator and yes it was quiet a restoration as almost every bit om metal work was routed thru so i have repaired almost every bit of metal work on there and i have fully rebuilt the engine and gear box

and i no my spelling isent very good but im dislexic

and the bike is almost finished now as all im waghting for is the new siamease down pipes to arive from armour and then i will be using the bike on a dayly basise

Lovely jubbly!!  Is that a dangerous spot of paint I can see? Replace that with some proper rust IMMEDIATELY!  It looks in just about the same condition as mine after it had nearly 40 years of neglect - outside in all weathers for many years, in a leaky shed and in a leaky conservatory! (See my pics in the member's gallery) 

In spite of what Anna says, it definitely IS a major restoration as rusty tinware is the most difficult part of a bike to restore.  OK, she is a hero for making her own mudguards!

I sympathise with dyslexic people.  I help run a charity for vulnerable adults, most of whom are dyslexic to a greater or lesser extent (although that is not what the charity is there for) and we found that printing out leaflets and literature using coloured ink (Plum is our preference) on a vanilla or any pastel coloured background enabled them to read it more easily.  Black on white is absolutely useless. I suspect that there are regular contributors to this site who are also dyslexic so let's be tolerant towards their spelling. They might find this suggestion helps if they set it up on their computer.

If you're really keen I'd recommend you went the route of restoring your tinware with an electrolytic kit.  It can do wonders and is not anywhere near as aggressive as blasting or using a wire wheel. Some rust is actually converted into useful steel. Using the least abrasion is important for thin, rusty tinware especially.

Cheers, Lionel

thanks lionel_yexley for your sugestions but all the tin ware is already done and my nes exaust arived today and is now fitted so she is now ready for the mot and i will put some pics of her finished soon

ow and besides doing all the welding on the tin work was a realy good excuse to go buy a tig welder lol

ok pics as promised of the finished bike

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Lovely jubbly!!  Is that a dangerous spot of paint I can see? Replace that with some proper rust IMMEDIATELY!  It looks in just about the same condition as mine after it had nearly 40 years of neglect - outside in all weathers for many years, in a leaky shed and in a leaky conservatory! (See my pics in the member's gallery) 

In spite of what Anna says, it definitely IS a major restoration as rusty tinware is the most difficult part of a bike to restore.  OK, she is a hero for making her own mudguards!

I sympathise with dyslexic people.  I help run a charity for vulnerable adults, most of whom are dyslexic to a greater or lesser extent (although that is not what the charity is there for) and we found that printing out leaflets and literature using coloured ink (Plum is our preference) on a vanilla or any pastel coloured background enabled them to read it more easily.  Black on white is absolutely useless. I suspect that there are regular contributors to this site who are also dyslexic so let's be tolerant towards their spelling. They might find this suggestion helps if they set it up on their computer.

If you're really keen I'd recommend you went the route of restoring your tinware with an electrolytic kit.  It can do wonders and is not anywhere near as aggressive as blasting or using a wire wheel. Some rust is actually converted into useful steel. Using the least abrasion is important for thin, rusty tinware especially.

Cheers, Lionel         Hello Lionel Yes i agree that it maybe a major job for you guy ot do but for me its not as all the tin-wear  it present even if it got some rust on it , which its better than nothing like I had too deal with on my 1954 dominator the only tin wear on the bike was the tool tray and the oil tank the rest of the tin-wear , I had to find it or make it my self , and how many female riders do you know that as a go at a major rebuild like what i had , the gear box was in a real state as was the engine and magneto and dynamo , and I am dyslexic too and have been all my life but I get by ,in 1995 I have a major brake down , after shock of losing my brests and female parts down there though cancer , nearly lost my life to 18 months of hell and two years after I had the brake down lost my memory ,since then I have had to learn my self , every thing ? even go through taking my bike test again .I not too good now , as I have cateract on my left eye and just see with my right eye , so no worries then , and wirting these thread when the bold key is on the blink ,makes it a bit harder , but I know you lot like reading my threads , or I would not get the julia cesser treatment stabbed in the back? verbally that is but hey go on ,I do not mind my back is big enough for you to all have go , And as for my Norton manxman 650 you all like have a go with big hammers that that too ? but if there was No manxman there would not be any Commando motorcycles, now would here ? So go on lads have a bash at anna ,there on one eles to have ago that ?  That the Agm I will ware my stabb vest , Yours Anna J Dixon

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Lovely jubbly!!  Is that a dangerous spot of paint I can see? Replace that with some proper rust IMMEDIATELY!  It looks in just about the same condition as mine after it had nearly 40 years of neglect - outside in all weathers for many years, in a leaky shed and in a leaky conservatory! (See my pics in the member's gallery) 

In spite of what Anna says, it definitely IS a major restoration as rusty tinware is the most difficult part of a bike to restore.  OK, she is a hero for making her own mudguards!

I sympathise with dyslexic people.  I help run a charity for vulnerable adults, most of whom are dyslexic to a greater or lesser extent (although that is not what the charity is there for) and we found that printing out leaflets and literature using coloured ink (Plum is our preference) on a vanilla or any pastel coloured background enabled them to read it more easily.  Black on white is absolutely useless. I suspect that there are regular contributors to this site who are also dyslexic so let's be tolerant towards their spelling. They might find this suggestion helps if they set it up on their computer.

If you're really keen I'd recommend you went the route of restoring your tinware with an electrolytic kit.  It can do wonders and is not anywhere near as aggressive as blasting or using a wire wheel. Some rust is actually converted into useful steel. Using the least abrasion is important for thin, rusty tinware especially.

Cheers, Lionel         Hello Lionel Yes i agree that it maybe a major job for you guy ot do but for me its not as all the tin-wear  it present even if it got some rust on it , which its better than nothing like I had too deal with on my 1954 dominator the only tin wear on the bike was the tool tray and the oil tank the rest of the tin-wear , I had to find it or make it my self , and how many female riders do you know that as a go at a major rebuild like what i had , the gear box was in a real state as was the engine and magneto and dynamo , and I am dyslexic too and have been all my life but I get by ,in 1995 I have a major brake down , after shock of losing my brests and female parts down there though cancer , nearly lost my life to 18 months of hell and two years after I had the brake down lost my memory ,since then I have had to learn my self , every thing ? even go through taking my bike test again .I not too good now , as I have cateract on my left eye and just see with my right eye , so no worries then , and wirting these thread when the bold key is on the blink ,makes it a bit harder , but I know you lot like reading my threads , or I would not get the julia cesser treatment stabbed in the back? verbally that is but hey go on ,I do not mind my back is big enough for you to all have go , And as for my Norton manxman 650 you all like have a go with big hammers that that too ? but if there was No manxman there would not be any Commando motorcycles, now would here ? So go on lads have a bash at anna ,there on one eles to have ago that ?  That the Agm I will ware my stabb vest , Yours Anna J Dixon

 Hi Anna, I still don't agree that it's an easy job for anyone (even you!) However I'm sorry to hear about all your problems, I will try to be a bit more understanding in future. I am also slightly dyslexic and an engineer so my English is not too good either!

Cheers, John Mac

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Lovely jubbly!!  Is that a dangerous spot of paint I can see? Replace that with some proper rust IMMEDIATELY!  It looks in just about the same condition as mine after it had nearly 40 years of neglect - outside in all weathers for many years, in a leaky shed and in a leaky conservatory! (See my pics in the member's gallery) 

In spite of what Anna says, it definitely IS a major restoration as rusty tinware is the most difficult part of a bike to restore.  OK, she is a hero for making her own mudguards!

I sympathise with dyslexic people.  I help run a charity for vulnerable adults, most of whom are dyslexic to a greater or lesser extent (although that is not what the charity is there for) and we found that printing out leaflets and literature using coloured ink (Plum is our preference) on a vanilla or any pastel coloured background enabled them to read it more easily.  Black on white is absolutely useless. I suspect that there are regular contributors to this site who are also dyslexic so let's be tolerant towards their spelling. They might find this suggestion helps if they set it up on their computer.

If you're really keen I'd recommend you went the route of restoring your tinware with an electrolytic kit.  It can do wonders and is not anywhere near as aggressive as blasting or using a wire wheel. Some rust is actually converted into useful steel. Using the least abrasion is important for thin, rusty tinware especially.

Cheers, Lionel         Hello Lionel Yes i agree that it maybe a major job for you guy ot do but for me its not as all the tin-wear  it present even if it got some rust on it , which its better than nothing like I had too deal with on my 1954 dominator the only tin wear on the bike was the tool tray and the oil tank the rest of the tin-wear , I had to find it or make it my self , and how many female riders do you know that as a go at a major rebuild like what i had , the gear box was in a real state as was the engine and magneto and dynamo , and I am dyslexic too and have been all my life but I get by ,in 1995 I have a major brake down , after shock of losing my brests and female parts down there though cancer , nearly lost my life to 18 months of hell and two years after I had the brake down lost my memory ,since then I have had to learn my self , every thing ? even go through taking my bike test again .I not too good now , as I have cateract on my left eye and just see with my right eye , so no worries then , and wirting these thread when the bold key is on the blink ,makes it a bit harder , but I know you lot like reading my threads , or I would not get the julia cesser treatment stabbed in the back? verbally that is but hey go on ,I do not mind my back is big enough for you to all have go , And as for my Norton manxman 650 you all like have a go with big hammers that that too ? but if there was No manxman there would not be any Commando motorcycles, now would here ? So go on lads have a bash at anna ,there on one eles to have ago that ?  That the Agm I will ware my stabb vest , Yours Anna J Dixon

 Hi Anna, I still don't agree that it's an easy job for anyone (even you!) However I'm sorry to hear about all your problems, I will try to be a bit more understanding in future. I am also slightly dyslexic and an engineer so my English is not too good either!

Cheers, John Mac

 Hello John Yes I do agree with this comment, But its even harder when you Have No Tin-wear at all to start with , And you Have find it or make it your self , And I was a Marine engineer way back in the 70s ,But what I been through as put the brakes on that , and I had to learn it all again , so where in the same Boat so to say ? I have a 1954 dominator to built on my brithday march 10th 1954 , life is not easy . and where all try our best to get by and keep our machines on the road , in this finacal down turn . So we must pull togeather as a club and give each other a helping hand now and again ,  yours  anna j Dixon

And now, back to the show!

Sorry about all that drama Chris!!!!!!

Excellent job, great bike, you should be proud! 

Hopefully the weather will cooperate for you to get some miles on it. Dont forget to re torque the exhaust nuts, cylinder head, & steering head bearings according to your manual & double check all fasteners. Its easy to forget one on a project like yours!

Good luck & ride safe!

Skip Brolund

Hi Chris

Your restoration  looks quite impressive and I can appreciate the hard work required to achieve such a good result, having just completed a similar challenge myself.

Your 2 into 1 exhaust looks to be a good fit.  Is it new or the old one rechromed?

The engine in my bike is a 99 with a standard head and like you I purchased a new 2 into 1 exhaust system that for other reasons did not fit.

It came with a series of clever adapters and spacers that enabled the exhaust nuts to slide over the pipe ends and clamp it up with collets like some of the Jap bikes use.

The difference with my 2 into 1 system being.......... it was correct for the cylinder head but either fell out of the exhaust ports when all the spacers were in place or  knocked against the timing cover if they were left out. When the spacers were omitted, the system leaked serious amounts of fumes and noise.  I have had to do some bodging to get it all working but have some doubts as to the long-term success of my efforts.

To add to the misery, the end pipe points slightly downwards and this results in a kink where the silencer joins it.  From the side it looks SILLY!!!

Does anyone know of a supplier of 2 into 1 exhaust system that -  a) fits correctly & b) does not match the Greek debt in terms of cost?

hi phill its a new system that i got from armours http://www.armoursltd.co.uk/Armours/Home/Home.html and its in stainless it cost £130 but thay will do a new crome one for £90 and all i had to do is slightly file one of the flared ends as it was to tight of a fit and the other end were the silencer atatches on i tock about two inch section off as it was to long but apart from that the quality of the system is brilliant i had to send them my exaust nut whitch thay sandblaasted then fitted to the new exaust ow and i had the exaust a week after i orderd it 

Thanks for the info.

Armours is not too far away from my part of the world.