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Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at August 14. 2017
An update. The new bracket arrived today (ordered last Wednesday) but regrettably will not fit the engine plate without drilling which I'm not prepared to do. Have now agreed with Norvil that I'll send them back the new bracket and leg. I've ordered the leg to suit the bracket that's fitted (whether it's right or wrong). The part no. is E2/1014. I would have done that to start with had not Norvil sown the seed that I had the wrong bracket fitted. Anyway, to be fair, they seem to be playing ball so hopefully the leg will arrive later this week and should be fitted before I set off for the Manx GP.

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by john_day at August 15. 2017

and just to add my ten pennyworth.........this is the prop stand I was given with the 1956 framed es2, will it fit? watch this space.

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Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at August 15. 2017
Yep.That's the boyo, John. I'll report back when it arrives.

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at August 17. 2017
New stand arrived today (ordered last Monday).It was the correct one for the bracket but a bit loose on the lug so required a couple of shimming washers (actually one was a 2p piece drilled out!) Finally got the spring on with the small-coins-in-the-spiral method. All seems well. The bike does not fall over! Fitted my "patent" method for getting the stand to stick out a bit more at rest for ease of access. I fitted a jubilee clip round the leg at the same distance from the fulcrum as the lower engine bolt so that the clip screw impinges on the nut. So anyone with a '55 ES2 should check the stand and bracket before renewing as they do not match the plate in the parts manual. This was the cause of all my probs. Norvil have played ball so far but I'll have to wait to see what rebate I get. George

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at August 18. 2017

Hello  Kawasaki ZZR600 sides stand very useful costs  £19.98pence and my time a brain power  to adapt the zzr sidestand to fit my Manxman slimline frame And It's Better than to original  it does not slip around the frame tube   has I made a plate to fit behind the crankcase  to pick up the two 3/8ths engine studs and then it has a U clamp for the frame bottom tube of the frame mounted in rubber hand made parts  and it looks good it's in chrome plate  and works really well too , SO NorVil can keep their expensive bit of steel    yours  anna j 

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by Skip Brolund at August 18. 2017

Great news George!

Perhaps you can have the webmaster change the title of this thread? Seems like this one wasn't their fault & they have been accommodating to resolve the issue?

 

ATB,

 

Skip

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at August 18. 2017
A very fair point, Skip. I tried some time ago when I realised it wasn't quite as clear cut as I originally thought but got no response to my email. I openly apologise to Norvil for jumping to that conclusion but to be fair I had actually phoned them and asked if it would fit before I ordered it. George

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at September 02. 2017
Update on stand. It doesn't work. It points too far forward and bike topples over it. It needs to be about 50 - 75 mm longer. It may be that the fitted bracket is worn at the point where it contacts the stand when it is down thus allowing the stand to swing forwards too much - although the one that was originally on it worked. Norvil refunded the cost of the bracket and stand that I returned. But with postage costs, the stand I now have has cost me around £92 and still doesn't do the job. George

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by john_evans1 at September 02. 2017

As Anna has suggested..make your own. There are lots which can be adapted for £30 tops. They can even look fairly original if you chose wisely.

 

I made a rear stand like the old Mz bikes had. It worked well but I gad to remive it due to issues with the speedo drive. Totally unoriginal but I did not care at the time.

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by ian_cordes at September 02. 2017

George. If you feel you have gone as far as you can with Nobvil, the cheapest option now is perhaps to have the stand built up a little with weld at the point where it stops against the bracket. You can then file it back to achieve the angle you desire, before having the stand painted. Would that work?

btw, the title of this thread clearly still stands.....

Ian

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at September 02. 2017
Great minds etc, Ian. That was the route I was considering. Or, of course, build up the bracket. At least that is steel rather than CI.

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by Charles Bovington at September 03. 2017

The RGM web site contains advice on how to modify their general purpose stand in the above manner.

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at September 03. 2017

Hello  My advice is to make your own On Ebay you can get nice stainless tube and bits of nice plate  or make a visit to a scrap yard  and buy off cuts of stainless steel   all you then need is a good press drill and and set of broch drills and a good stick welder you can pick up at most auto jumble sales for 25 quid or so  or if feeling brave you can buy a good mig welder  I have a SIP migmate 90 since 1986  and it's still working to this day  if there looked after I can weld fresh air  has I perfected this many times welding cars and vans with an MIG seam welding is best now you can get attachments so you can now weld alloys and stainless steels  and mig wire technology is getting better  now I use gasless mig wire  which works well  you also need a good angle grinder and various disc from flipper discs  to cutting discs   and most of all good measuring tools and a good marker anyone with good common sense can set them selfs up and use these tools with good results  but please get your safety gear to wear  like good safety glasses and gloves  and  breathing mask  and work clean and tidy and well-ventilated area   and think safety first  and last and do take you time working do not rush things  if feeling frustrated  take a break and have a cupper tea and switch on Classic FM  nice calm music offend helps  And  I was LUCKY to have left me in a Will An ATLAS Metal Lathe a10" Swing over bed   1936 F10 with tooling and an ATLAS Mill Drill too  with tooling which helps me make my own parts when needed  So get out there and have fun with it,  and  forget  Expence-nor-vil                yours  anna j 

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by david_evans at September 03. 2017

So George, just pop out and buy yourself a welder, drill press, broch drills (whatever they are) angle grinder, flipper discs? cutting discs and a few feet of stainless steel tube. Teach your self to weld fresh air, or even stainless steel (always a challenge) and crack on.

Better still just lean your bike against a tree. much cheaper optionCool

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at September 03. 2017
The addition of a weld on the bracket seems to be the way forward although the tree idea is cheaper! If I bought all the stuff suggested by AJD and it lasted as long as hers I'd then be 108 - so unlikely to get my money's worth! George

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at September 09. 2017
Had my local garage add a weld strip to the lower edge of the bracket and also reweld the broken tip of the original stand (it was not cast iron as I had originally thought). After a bit of fettling on the grinder it pointed in the right direction so refitted it all. The weight of the bike caused the re-welded lug to snap off together with the end of the bracket! I'm wondering if they cooled the welds with water causing the metal to go brittle? Any way I now have a broken bracket, a broken original stand and a Norvil stand that doesn't fit. OhGeorge happy day! Have now ordered a NOC stand and bracket and returned the Norvil stand. Let's hope they play ball again. My heading still stands. The Norvil stand does not fit (out of the box) onto the original bracket. It is not a direct replacement. George

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at September 09. 2017
OOps - sorry about the typo. Should read "Oh happy day"

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by christopher_shepperd at September 09. 2017

Hi again George.  I don't find lifting onto the centre stand such an issue as you.  I'm wondering if you can't modify it in the way that Japanese bikes work i.e. it's as much a downward push on a lever on the stand as it is an upward lift.

I think our bikes are pretty similar and as you're only one county west, we could meet up sometime and see if your centre stand seems excessively heavy to lift.  Mine is fitted with a side stand but it is useless.  Maybe I could try getting it modified although I leave most technical matters to my bruv.

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at September 09. 2017
I think the prob is more t do with my dodgy back, Chris. But I've found that holding the stand with my left foot, gripping the grab rail with both hands, back straight, legs slightly bent then straighten legs and rise up on toes (very powerful leverage!) does the trick. Kind of you to offer a meet-up but I'm an hour west of Plymouth Our branch (Tamar) does meet at Calstock (just inside Cornish border) on 3rd Saturday (16th this month if you're able to make it. When I was at the Classic TT a week or so back Ian McDougal from NI lifted it onto its centre stand with one arm so the prob is obviously me!

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by christopher_shepperd at September 13. 2017

I use a different technique.  Pull the handlebars to full left lock, put left hand on grip, put right hand on grab rail.  Lift up on grab rail and at the same time, pull back on handlebar grip.

I think we are as far apart as we could be whilst still living in Cornwall and Devon: I'm East Devon, you're West Cornwall.  That makes it a bit of a trek.  Never mind, we will hopefully meet up some time.

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at September 13. 2017
Thanks Chris. Problem may be solved now as the complete stand and bracket assembly arrived from the NOC Shop today (4 working days from order - brilliant!) and is now fitted and working perfectly. So after all the aggro and mis-information from Norvil the NOC came up trumps (if you'll pardon the expression). The bike now leans at a slight yet reasonable angle all is well. Thanks to everyone for the various inputs. George

Re: Norvil side stand useless

Posted by George Phillips at September 17. 2017
Just to close this thread (?) I can now report that Norvil did indeed cancel the cost of the final stand which I returned. So the bottom line is: 1)The Norvil stand for a '55 ES2 does not fit the original '55 bracket. 2) The Norvil bracket for a '55 ES2 does not fit the engine plates/holes without drilling holes. 3) The stand/bracket assembly from the NOC shop fitted "out of the box". When you compare the NOC stand with the Norvil stand you can see the discrepancies in the dimensions particularly round the lug area. The Moral - buy from the NOC Shop!
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