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Posted by George Phillips at July 19. 2017
In attempting to reduce the free play on the side stand (which has in the past resulted in the bike toppling over) I've managed to snap off one of the lugs on the stand itself (the unthreaded one). Does anyone know where I can source another stand (just the leg). I can't find one amongst the usual culprits. Thanks for any help. George

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Posted by George Phillips at July 19. 2017
Oops! Forgot to say it's a 1955 model, ie pre-featherbed.

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Posted by philip_ham at July 19. 2017
Previously George Phillips wrote:
Oops! Forgot to say it's a 1955 model, ie pre-featherbed.
George, This is not going to be easy to find, I recognise these sidestands as I have a 1955 ES2 and an embryonic 1954 Model 7, which has a very similar (if not identical) leg. Even at autojumbles these are rare, so be prepared to quiz stallholders to see if they have any back at home. Best of luck, Philip

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Posted by George Phillips at July 19. 2017
Thanks for that Philip. Bad news as I find it quite a struggle pulling it onto the centre stand. Has any one a view on the "universal" stands? George

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Posted by christopher_shepperd at July 20. 2017

If it's anything like mine, it's a suicide stand.  I never use it.

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Posted by terence_terrell at July 20. 2017
Previously George Phillips wrote:
Thanks for that Philip. Bad news as I find it quite a struggle pulling it onto the centre stand. Has any one a view on the "universal" stands? George
Try"VINTELE" prop stand,works on my 49 ES2.

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Posted by les croston at July 20. 2017

Hi George,before you condemn the stand to the bin an option is to weld it back to its original position.it is surprising what a reputable welder can achieve.he or she will prep the joint,bolt it together with the correct spacers(to stop distortion)and keep the reqd.clearance gap.if this is not possible a new end block could be made.like i say,a reputable welder.

les

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Posted by George Phillips at July 20. 2017
I think the Vintele might be for rigid frames, Terry. Mine's swinging arm. Les - I am trying to get hold of a welder I know in Redruth who I'm sure could do it but it is a tiny lug and it's cast iron - I think. Thanks for the heads up Chris. BTW I tried running the bike onto a short length of 20mm deep timber so's the rear wheel was on it but not the front and it was much easier to pull it onto the centre stand. Problem is I can't lug a lump of wood around with me! Let's hope I winkle out the welding man. George

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Posted by George Phillips at July 20. 2017
Update. My guy says it can't be welded but that he could make a steel one as I have the original as a pattern. May have to go that way.

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Posted by Ian MacDougall at July 20. 2017

Probably your best option and almost certainly more robust than a pattern cast item (if you can find one). Just for interest which version of the side stand do you have - attached to a bracket below the engine cradle or attached to the front engine mount? I find the one below the engine cradle less than stable, I have much more faith in the centre stand.

Ian McD

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Posted by George Phillips at July 20. 2017
Hi Ian - good to hear from you. It attaches to a bracket that is secured by the front two engine mounting bolts. The bracket is OK but I've snapped one of the lugs off the stand leg itself. Hope to meet up at the Welbeck Hotel, Douglas on 25 August. George

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Posted by paul_archibald at July 20. 2017

There is one on Ebay today,  item 391841413017 - it's your lucky day!

Paul

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Posted by George Phillips at July 21. 2017
Well done Ian! Found it. It'll be over £60 with p&p so I'll see what my guy can offer for making a steel one. There are several days left for bidding. Well spotted. BTW email received and noted. Cheers George

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Posted by George Phillips at August 03. 2017
Ended up buying one from Norvil (!) who told me that it was incorrect to have a bolt through the top and it should have a pin held by circlips (despite the parts book showing a bolt with retaining nut). Anyway it's arrived and and it sort of fits. The pin is too large for the hole in the lug on the bracket and the stand sticks out awkwardly when at rest. It also points forwards quite a bit when in the down position. Nevertheless all these things are solvable. At £64.80 inc p& as against £340 on ebay I'll live with it. George

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Posted by ian_goodhall at August 03. 2017
Previously George Phillips wrote:
Ended up buying one from Norvil (!) who told me that it was incorrect to have a bolt through the top and it should have a pin held by circlips (despite the parts book showing a bolt with retaining nut). Anyway it's arrived and and it sort of fits. The pin is too large for the hole in the lug on the bracket and the stand sticks out awkwardly when at rest. It also points forwards quite a bit when in the down position. Nevertheless all these things are solvable. At £64.80 inc p& as against £340 on ebay I'll live with it. George
Any chance of a picture George. I've always fancied a side stand for my ES2 but never seen one at a reasonable price. Ian

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Posted by Ian MacDougall at August 03. 2017

I wonder if the Norvil leg is intended for the bracket that sits below the engine cradle. This type is fitted to my '56 19S and is secured by a pin rather than a bolt.

Cheers, Ian McD

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Posted by George Phillips at August 03. 2017
I'll try for a pic in the morning, Ian (G) although it looks at first glance just like the standard unit. Ian McD - I would say it's intended for the forward fitted bracket Ian as it does fit - just a bit sloppy. Once I've fitted it I can see if the bike leans at the right angle. I think it will be OK.

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Posted by George Phillips at August 04. 2017
BTW Ian, I should add that I spoke with Norvil (Les?) who assured me it would fit a '55 ES2. I haven't taken a picture yet (Ian G) as the stand does not work. I will start a new thread about it under the heading Norvil side stand useless. George

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Posted by George Phillips at August 05. 2017
To answer Ian's point about the engine cradle I'm now confused. The bracket on my bike is - according to the parts list - the one for a solid frame ES2 (mine's s/a). So it could be that someone has fitted the wrong bracket (it's easier as the drive side does not have to come off). I'll ty and attach some pics. George
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Posted by George Phillips at August 05. 2017
Oops! pic 1 didn't go. G
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Posted by les_howard at August 05. 2017

George your latest thread regarding your side-stand and the trouble you were having with Norvil is here:

http://www.nortonownersclub.org/noc-chat/technical1-singles-forum/912608184

Now you've gone back to an earlier thread and away from the question that John Shorter posed on your latest. Now for anyone interested in your plight it has become broken up and hard to follow.

Les: Frown

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Posted by George Phillips at August 05. 2017
Quite right Les. This thread is about the correct (or otherwise) stand/bracket for the '55 ES2. I decided to start a new thread on the probs with Norvil to keep the two things separate. Sorry if it caused confusion. This thread started on the matter of sourcing the side stand and has (by my own hand) drifted into questioning whether in fact I have the correct bracket fitted. I still don't know. The answer to this may well affect how I deal with Norvil. Thanks for your pointers, Les. Regards, George

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Posted by robert_wright at August 06. 2017

Those engine plates are the same as mine 54 es2 swinging arm

I believe mine is original

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Posted by George Phillips at August 06. 2017
Thanks Robert. All very confusing! George
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