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Posted by paul_archibald at February 07. 2017

Hello, Does anyone recognise this seat fitted to my ES2? It doesn't look original to me.

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Posted by George Phillips at February 07. 2017
Just out of interest,Paul, there are so many bits that don't look original why pick on the seat? Not having a go - just intrigued! George

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Posted by John Shorter at February 07. 2017

Better to have a non original runner, than a "project" in a garage. Apart from the awful black exhaust system, the bike looks fine.

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Posted by Barry Carson. at February 07. 2017

i don't know what the original seat should look like . if that one would go down a notch it would look ok.   Barry

 

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Posted by paul_archibald at February 07. 2017

It's a bit of a bitsa. !958 frame, I think 1952 or 3 engine, dodgy exhaust (because it's painted black - by the previous owner). It will stay a bitsa as I will fit a single saddle and have ordered an exhaust pipe and silencer to my taste to spruce it up a bit. Don't get me wrong, I like looking at bikes which the owners have spent a lot of time and money on to make them look like they did when they left the factory, my Ducati and to a certain extent my Bonneville fulfill that for me,  but this one is to use and for me not to feel too precious about it if I get caught out in the rain and I intend to "improve" it as I go along. I just wondered if anyone knew what the seat might be from as it is in good condition and I would rather sell it on to someone who will use it rather than it take up valuable bike space in my bike garage cum summerhouse. The 18" front wheel will have to go too at some point!

Thanks to all of you for your replies, please keep them coming.

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Posted by svein_marken at February 08. 2017

RGM have replica seat to 1955 ES2.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Svein.

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Posted by robert_tuck at February 08. 2017

Hi Paul,  Whats the issue with the 18" wheel?, As I'm getting old and stiff I'm finding it hard to climb abord and am thinking of switching to 18" and modern low profile tyres on my 99. Les at Norville built a low 650 for his girl , Be interesting to hear the pro's and con's. The smaller front wheel give your bike a nicer line than some where the motor looks like its lolling back.

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Posted by John Shorter at February 08. 2017

Come on Robert, maybe a little exercise is called for!  I guess that, nearing 80, I can give you a few years.  I doubt that changing to 18" wheels, and low profile tyres, will lower the bike more than 1".  I must admit though, I am about to lower the footrests, on my 88. My knees are starting to ache, on long runs, and I don't corner as fast as I used to!

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Posted by robert_tuck at February 08. 2017

I recently put a 19" low profile against an Avon SM and was surprised to see about a 2" difference ,  I exercise every day but spine damage is a bugger. Kickstarting an Atlas is now impossible.

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Posted by paul_archibald at February 08. 2017

Hi guys, Thanks for all your replies. The RGM seats look great but I prefer the look of a sprung saddle. The only problem I have with the 18" front wheel is the limited tyre choice - I would like to fit modern TT100s and they don't appear to come in 325 x 18 for some reason. As an aside, has anyone tried Mitas tyres? The front tyre is currently a Mitas, the back is a well-worn Avon with a profile more suited to an Austin 7 and I wondered if Mitas are any good or to be avoided. Luckily, I don't yet have problems operating the kick start (I'm only 66 after all) but I can sympathise.

With regard to the "look" I hope to achieve, here's one I did earlier with a 1994 Indian Enfield Bullet which had been improved by the previous owner by fitting a huge windscreen with top-box and panniers. I think it looks better now! It also goes much better with 11:1 compression, gas-flowed head, race cams, electronic ignition, close ratio gearbox, modified front brake and uprated suspension.

I'm still looking for a tool box for the ES2 so if anyone has one they would part with please let me know.

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Posted by richard_evans at February 08. 2017

Apart from the exhaust it's a lovely looking bike - you were only asking about the seat after all.

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Posted by paul_archibald at February 08. 2017

Previously richard_evans wrote:

Apart from the exhaust it's a lovely looking bike - you were only asking about the seat after all.

Thanks Richard, I like it a lot, I just want to make it look a bit "prettier" hence the seat and exhaust replacement plan. It starts on the second kick (once I have remembered to turn the petrol tap on anyway) and idles quite happily once warmed up.

 

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Posted by richard_evans at February 09. 2017

I wouldn't worry about the seat.  Looks alright to me. The purists will always find fault unless they are original and getting something that is an exact replica is not easy, particularly when it's difficult to know what the original was like after all this time.

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Posted by paul_archibald at February 09. 2017

Previously robert_tuck wrote:

I recently put a 19" low profile against an Avon SM and was surprised to see about a 2" difference ,  I exercise every day but spine damage is a bugger. Kickstarting an Atlas is now impossible.

Hello Robert, Which low profile tyre did you compare to the Avon. I am considering Avon Roadrider AM26 tyres as I can't find Dunlop TT100 tyres to suit. The other option is CST Classic which I think are made by Maxxis and are the "original 325 x 18 and 350 x 19 sizes as opposed to 100 x 90 x 18 and 100 x 90 x 19 for the Avon SM26s. The price for each pair is roughly the same at c£120, although the CSTs come with new tubes, so I'm really looking for advice on which is "best". The benefit of your experience will be greatly appreciated, I'm more interested in good road holding than looks. Regards, Paul

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Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at February 09. 2017
Previously paul_archibald wrote:

Hello, Does anyone recognise this seat fitted to my ES2? It doesn't look original to me.

hello this the right seat but wrong front bracket  under the seat  hope this may help        yours  anna j

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Posted by paul_archibald at February 09. 2017

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously paul_archibald wrote:

Hello, Does anyone recognise this seat fitted to my ES2? It doesn't look original to me.

hello this the right seat but wrong front bracket  under the seat  hope this may help        yours  anna j

 

Hello Anna J, Thank you for that information, I shall look at the bracket and see if it can be removed. The rear of the seat also sits a little high but that could be lowered by elongating the fitting slots in the rear mounting brackets. Kind regards, Paul

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Posted by David Cooper at February 10. 2017

It looks like a tall rider fitted that bracket.  Surely there's nothing 'wrong' about that if it makes it more enjoyable to ride?  It's the sort of thing magazines in the '50's gave suggestions about.  I've been thinking about doing much the same for my 16H.  They weren't designed to fit a rider over about 5'6".

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Posted by paul_archibald at February 11. 2017

Previously David Cooper wrote:

It looks like a tall rider fitted that bracket.  Surely there's nothing 'wrong' about that if it makes it more enjoyable to ride?  It's the sort of thing magazines in the '50's gave suggestions about.  I've been thinking about doing much the same for my 16H.  They weren't designed to fit a rider over about 5'6".

The bracket has two mounting points, the lower of which is for bolts which pass through the seat bracket and bolt to the frame at the earthing point at one side and the oil tank mounting on the other. The higher mounting point has a bolt which passses through the bracket and the mounting spacers which are fitted to a tube on the frame. The previous owner had only used the lower of the mounting holes on the bracket and passed the bolt through the higher of the two mounting points on the frame, hence the seat was too high. It has now been removed as I don't like it and will be replaced with a single sprung saddle which I do like. Also, I just ordered two CST Classic tyres for the bike in 325 x 18 front and 350 x 19 rear sizes as I can't get TT100 matching tyres in those sizes. I had a good look at the Avon AM26s but the rolling circumference of them and the profile didn't really suit. It only cost £100 including post for the pair of CST Classics from John Birchill at Stourbridge Tyres which I think is a bit of a bargain.

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Posted by paul_archibald at March 22. 2017

For anyone who is interested in what I replaced the seat and dodgy exhaust system with, this is what my ES2 looks like now.

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Posted by Dan Field at March 22. 2017

I like that!

Dan

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Posted by paul_archibald at March 23. 2017

Thanks Dan, I'm quite pleased with the way it is shaping up. I haven't found an ES2 toolbox yet but have a James toolbox from around the same era which should fit and not look too out of place (fingers crossed).

Regards,

Paul

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Posted by George Phillips at March 23. 2017
What sort of "barK' do you get off that small silencer, Paul?

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Posted by paul_archibald at March 24. 2017

Previously Dan Field wrote:

Here's one!!!!!!

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Norton-Tool-Box-Manx-ES2-Model-18-Big-4-16H-WD-1936-1945-/382000584836?hash=item58f1025884:g:9wMAAOSwdGFYxxdH

 

Wrong shape Dan, and very definitely the wrong price!

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Posted by paul_archibald at March 24. 2017
Previously George Phillips wrote:
What sort of "barK' do you get off that small silencer, Paul?
It's not too loud George. Just enough to sound a little sporty but not so loud as to cause offence or unwanted attention. I must admit I was pleasantly surprised when I started the bike up as I hadn't realised quite how short it was when I ordered it from Armours. It is their short Gold Star silencer with a 10 degree uptilt and the Norton fitment built to order. The pipe is also from Armours and is a plunger ES2 front pipe which also has a little uptilt at the end and I shortened this to suit. Cheers, Paul

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Posted by svein_marken at March 24. 2017

Previously paul_archibald wrote:

Thanks Dan, I'm quite pleased with the way it is shaping up. I haven't found an ES2 toolbox yet but have a James toolbox from around the same era which should fit and not look too out of place (fingers crossed).

Regards,

Paul

If you are looking for a toolbox,take a look at ebaynr:382004674800.

This is the right type to your frame.

Svein.

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Posted by paul_archibald at March 24. 2017

Hello Svein,

Thank you for the information, I have contacted the seller to ask for postage cost from USA to UK.

Regards,

Paul

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Posted by paul_archibald at March 24. 2017

$75 just for the post!! I think I'll give that a miss and fit the one from the James which cost me £20 including post. I'll still keep an eye out for a Norton one though, there is an autojumble at the local bike show in a couple of weeks.

Regards to all,

Paul

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Posted by alan_rogers at March 25. 2017

Previously paul_archibald wrote:

It's a bit of a bitsa. !958 frame, I think 1952 or 3 engine, dodgy exhaust (because it's painted black - by the previous owner). It will stay a bitsa as I will fit a single saddle and have ordered an exhaust pipe and silencer to my taste to spruce it up a bit. Don't get me wrong, I like looking at bikes which the owners have spent a lot of time and money on to make them look like they did when they left the factory, my Ducati and to a certain extent my Bonneville fulfill that for me,  but this one is to use and for me not to feel too precious about it if I get caught out in the rain and I intend to "improve" it as I go along. I just wondered if anyone knew what the seat might be from as it is in good condition and I would rather sell it on to someone who will use it rather than it take up valuable bike space in my bike garage cum summerhouse. The 18" front wheel will have to go too at some point!

Thanks to all of you for your replies, please keep them coming.

Hi Paul, from what I can see in your photo your frame is 1956 or earlier, the 1957-58 ES2 frames are different in a number of ways- an obvious example is the bottom frame rails below the crankcase 1956 and earlier is an L section casting where as the 57-58 frame is welded tube, unless it is a twin frame which has the L casting. 

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Posted by alan_rogers at March 25. 2017

Previously paul_archibald wrote:

$75 just for the post!! I think I'll give that a miss and fit the one from the James which cost me £20 including post. I'll still keep an eye out for a Norton one though, there is an autojumble at the local bike show in a couple of weeks.

Regards to all,

Paul


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